What You Resist You Invite.. Why are you?
So it appears that because I have left the colony, I have lost all of my rights..
Quoting the words of fanatics like David Tschetter.. I can never speak about the Hutterite Culture because...
"You represent the Weak, the Unfaithful who start different religions, the Corrupt whose main objective is money, and last but not least, the Deserters like yourself, who have abandoned their baptism vows and have forsaken everything that our culture stands for"
Those are some harsh words from David a so called "Hutterite" (please be aware that David is a religious freak and he represents about 1% of Hutterites)..
I have not started a different religion and by the way those Hutterites that leave (or break away in groups) still worship the same God you do..
Also David.. I AM NOT A BAPTIZED HUTTERITE.. you claim to be this person of a very high intelligence level but yet you cannot do simple Math..
I have been gone for over 14 years..
I am 32 years old
32-14= 18 years old when I left..
I do not know too many Lehrerleut Hutterites who get baptized at 18 years old.. DO YOU?
Getting back to me not being qualified to speak about this..
This means that the entire world is out of whack and that NO AUTHOR is entitled to write a book about anything other than their respective profession etc..
Please keep in mind that I am simply talking about a topic which many people wanted to know more about..and I had never intended to bring out the ignorance of people like David Tschetter, etc... This was always supposed to be an educational BLOG but it has turned into a war of opinions amongst me and certain Hutterite Fanatics..
Please bear with me as I will get back on track, but..I had to make a response to all this..
Jerry
posted by Jerry Wipf at Sunday, March 25, 2007
41 Comments:
Everyone wants to think that they know exactly what the bible is saying, but in fact, they typically "bend" the verses to satisfy their own beliefs.
Here's the basic messages that are the most important.
1) Don't judge (for you will also be judged by God in the end of days),
2)Treat others as you would want to be treated (Golden Rule),
3) Do your best to follow Christ's teachings and act them in a manner he would want you too.
Someone left the comment above on one of my YouTube videos..on my jpwipf account.. (the one about the soldier funerals which were being protested)
I could not have said it any better.. It's like this person was talking to you know who..
By Jerry Wipf, At 4:37 PM, March 25, 2007
Jerry, I understand your intention for your blog was to allow the greater population an inside glimpse about Hutterite life. However, the comments made by some of the Hutterites on your site give the real insight about their mind set and how they think. What an eye opening experience. Personally, I think you are doing a great job and I hope you keep it up and don't get caught up with mindless exchange of words.
By Dorty, At 5:50 PM, March 25, 2007
Dorty
This is exactly what I have been trying to convey to these people..
Please understand that not all Hutterites think like these people do.. I am not sure who they are but I believe that the majority of these comments are coming from a very religious sect out of Canada..from the Schmiedeleut branch.. I may be wrong and I apologize in advance to the Schmiedeleut if I am..
They are being very close-minded and are assuming the absolute worst whenever someone tries to tell the Hutterite story..
My entire family is Hutterite.. meaning that 100% of every one of my Brothers and my Sisters and their children (as of this writing) are members of the Lehrerleut branch of Hutterites.. Sure I have other relatives that have left the community but when I say 100% I am speaking about my IMMEDIATE family..
This whole thing has been a mind blowing experience..as these people are trying to tell me that I AM FORBIDDEN to talk about the Hutterite Culture..
There has been so much good that has come out of me leaving the colony.. Good that has impacted my family and other Hutterite members which otherwise could never have happened.. The problem is these people leaving these comments are so close-minded that not even the tiniest seed of truth can insert itself into their selfish brains..
IT IS SO SAD..
Peace My Friend
Jerry
By Jerry Wipf, At 6:08 PM, March 25, 2007
Hello Jerry,
I have watched your latest video and I have to agree with you that the whole internet access thing was overrated. It was a minor error, as a matter of fact, it is irrelevant to me. What we are simply trying to point out is that when you take a person who does not know anything about us, you have to be extremely careful what you feed them because the first impression is always the lasting one.
I cannot understand what would make you think that I am trying to split you and your family, on the contrary, I'm hoping that you come to the realization that you leaving your parents house has created their worst nightmare.
You need to stop sugarcoating the situation and explain to your readers about how our colony life is designed to protect and shelter our youth from the very things that made you leave. When a family loses a loved one to the outside world, the parents go through the same excruciating pain as the parents of the kids on the missing children posters.
All the gold in the world laid at the feet of your parents would not bring them happiness, as your returning to their shelter would.
And yet, you deny them that joy.
I'm not trying to separate you from them. I'M TRYING TO UNITE YOU WITH THEM!!
I've been where you are now, and I gave my parents the greatest gift which cannot be bought with money. I gave them their Son back.
Now the people that you are trying to educate, will not have A clue as to what I'm talking about because their society expects their kids to leave home and move on.
I know that you will succeed in discrediting me in the eyes of the outside world with all this fanatic stuff that you go on about, but I know that every hutterite that will read this is giving me two thumbs up.
You are lost and I will not quit until you accept the true path that you were born for.
Later
David
PS.
there is a big difference between Religion and Culture. I have said and never will say that you are not a good Christian, because being a good Christian has nothing to do with being Hutterite.
By peaceregion, At 6:36 PM, March 25, 2007
Jerry, thanks for your response. As with any other religion there are people from one extreme to the other. Unfortunately you are dealing with extremists it appears. You know what would be great though, is if you could tell what it was like growing up in a colony. What was it like being a young boy. What kind of a routine did you follow growing up. People want to hear and learn about hutterite life. What a great way to learn then from someone like yourself who knows first hand. I really think you have the gift to allow people a small glimpse into hutterite life. That was your initial intention and I feel you need to stick with it. I can understand your frustration when you get hackled by certain branches, but try not to get discouraged. Believe me, there are a lot more people interested in what you have to tell then not. Personally, I think the persons speaking out against your work are simply afraid of what you might expose if anything at all. They feel insecure about themselves. Why, who knows. Jerry hang in there.
By Dorty, At 6:47 PM, March 25, 2007
David..
I am not going to discredit you because you finally spoke like a compassionate human being..
Kudos to you..
So it appears like you left and came back home.. good for you.. and I mean that..
As far as my parents losing their son (ME) they came to realize that they never lost me..and that they never will lose me..
You know how they realized that..
It happened one hot sunny day in July several years ago when my oldest brother was killed in a horrific accident in the heart of the colony.. I was already gone at that time..
It was that day that my parents understood that their son Jerry Wipf was not lost.. They saw him sitting at the side of his oldest brother..
You want to know how else they learned that they had not lost me....
It was the day when the "lost son" (in your eyes) saved the life of his youngest brother.. Who was gone at the time..
Had that "lost son" been a member of the colony than my Mom and Dad would have lost not one...but their oldest and their youngest son..
Don't try to tell me what my parents have lost.. Instead ask them what they have gained..
Jerry
PS: God will decide if I am lost.. Not you.. You worry about getting your own self into the gates..
By Jerry Wipf, At 7:07 PM, March 25, 2007
You know what would be great though, is if you could tell what it was like growing up in a colony. What was it like being a young boy. What kind of a routine did you follow growing up. People want to hear and learn about Hutterite life.
Dorty...
You got it my friend..
That's all I was trying to do..and I will..
Peace
Jerry
By Jerry Wipf, At 7:11 PM, March 25, 2007
Dear Jerry,
On with the informing, please. While I watched your earlier videos for their 'educational' value, I find I now watch for the entertainment value. This is by far the most "entertaining" video yet! Even more "entertaining" than the earlier ones in which you were NOT so p***ed off. Just wondering if it has ever occurred to you that people may just be inciting you (heaven forbid)for the fun of it? Who knows? You obviously feel the contrary. Think about it...and oh yeah...lighten up. You don't sound as "peace"-ful as before.
Readers do have to admire your courage in exposing all of yourself, weaknesses (as some would see it) and all.
Plus, a danger of communicating via a blog is: not knowing or catching the tone of the writer as well as you would in a face-to-face conversation. Thus, how much can a person read into any written exchange. Case in point: Am I writing this with a smirk of sarcasm, or do I genuinely mean what I type?? (rhetorical question)
Anyways, Onwards and Upwards:
-Do you plan on posting more about the products produced by Hutterites? I'm looking forward to it.
-Something I read earlier in your blog caught my attention when you wrote, "I am not a sheep." The vibe I got is that average Hutterites are like sheep, following blindly, ignorant, uneducated, unquestioning. Right?...or do you need to clarify.
Later,
Watson
By Anonymous, At 8:06 PM, March 25, 2007
Also, Can you tell more about education in colonies, please.
Watson
By Anonymous, At 8:07 PM, March 25, 2007
Watson
Thank you for your comments, I appreciate them..
I will make a video about your questions and others I have received..
I needed to get these things out of the way first..
Watch for a video soon..
Thanks Much
Jerry
PS: I do have a few Hutterite products right now.. and will post a link to them soon..
By Jerry Wipf, At 8:49 PM, March 25, 2007
Jerry, could you also explain the term "agnutz treibn" to all our new students.
By Anonymous, At 8:54 PM, March 25, 2007
Watson:
Here's a link that will best explain the Hutterite education system:
http://www.hutterites.org/education.htm
By Anonymous, At 9:02 PM, March 25, 2007
Hello Jerry,
If you feel that this is your calling, that this is something that you must do, then I will not discourage you. And just so you know, Right from the beginning of all of this, I have never lost my temper, my cool, and never let a negative thought process occur in my mind. The post on your front page about me does not anger me nor does it discourage me, because I expected this from you. This is not new to me. I have close relatives that have left the colony and joined another religion. They mean absolutely nothing to me because they betrayed their faith and our way of life. You need to understand and accept the following basics, then I would accept your work.
1)
Over the last 400 years, all Hutterites were severely tortured and put to death for not only our religion, but also our culture, our communal lifestyle. Our Forefathers fled from one place to the next and it seemed that hutterites were on the extinction list. Even in the United States, we were tortured for this. Two Dariusleut members died from torture in Alcatraz Prison during World War 2 and many others tortured beyond recovery. This prompted us to move to Canada, where we were still a minority group. The Canadian Government seized all our land back in the 70's - 80's at one point. Simply because people were afraid of our successful and efficient way of life. In the early 80's the Government implemented the "LAND ACQUISITION ACT" which prevented all hutterite colonies from buying any land. Our survival did not look good. The law was eventually thrown out, but this was not very long ago.
My point in all this is: "over the last 400 years of our existence, We have only enjoyed the last 20 or so years as a time where we were not discriminated against on a national level. We are still a minority group, but we are now at peace with our countries only because we have managed to stay out of the media spotlight, we have been expanding our land base and our agriculture foothold substantially without attracting too much attention to ourselves. We all know that the general public does not know too much about us, but THAT'S THE WAY WE WANT IT. when the time is right, all colonies will unite as a economic force and then the world will know who we are. After having said that, surely you can understand why our shields go up almost instantly when someone uses a powerful tool like the internet to spread the word. And just so you know, about a month ago, the Austrian Government were the first to step up to the plate and officially and publicly apologize to all Hutterites for the persecution that we endured in that country many years ago. If you feel you must educate the world, then start with murders and all the tortures that almost drove the hutterite people into extinction.
2)
I still emphasize that you cannot maintain that you are still part of the Hutterite Culture. the foundation of that culture is based on Communal living where all members do not practice their free will. As we do not have our own cars, houses, bank accounts, etc...
You can talk about your past all you want, but you cannot live in town, in your own house, driving your own car, spending your own money on pleasures that you may find needful and still maintain your still part of the Hutterite Culture. Things get out of control if you are not clear on your position.
Your reader "dorty" now thinks that we are afraid that you might expose something. somehow that person has obviously been led to believe that you are a beacon of light that will expose everything that he/she thinks we are hiding. this is a fine example. I rest my case about how careful you must be on first impressions.
3)
Last but not least, I feel that your latest video does not do your goal any good because of the emotion involved. your message is fine, but your anger and frustration being observed portrays you as a person with little or no patience under pressure. Emotions under pressure shows weakness and a lack of Gedult (patience) I don't think that's the message you want to send out. your message towards me is fine, you can leave it, but for you own good you need to send it without emotions. This will show your strength, patience, and courage to endure.
Your wondering why I'm trying to help you from making a mistake that show your weakness?
It's simple, I knew right from the beginning that I would have to help you in someway to prove to you that I'm not the animal that you want the world to think I am.
PS.
If this blog appears on your front page, then I will accept the fact that we have a mutual understanding.
Later,
David Tschetter
By peaceregion, At 9:21 PM, March 25, 2007
DAVID TSCHETTER WROTE:
"....we have been expanding our land base and our agriculture foothold substantially without attracting too much attention to ourselves. We all know that the general public does not know too much about us, but THAT'S THE WAY WE WANT IT. when the time is right, all colonies will unite as a economic force and then the world will know who we are."
Holy Smokes!!! You're making us seem like a new Nazi Regime! My gosh, what the heck are you talking about????!!!!!
By Anonymous, At 9:43 PM, March 25, 2007
Dear David,
Where can I find more information about the Austrian Government's apology to Hutterites?
Watson
By Anonymous, At 9:57 PM, March 25, 2007
Dear Anonymous,
Clearly you have misunderstood.
If you follow any type of agriculture based news media, you must have heard about the NFU (National Farmers Union) they are a group of people up here in Canada that are trying to unite ALL Canadian Farmers under one title to give us greater control of the prices that we get for the products that we sell, and it would give us greater buying power on the products that we buy. Now my comment only meant that if all colonies united as well, it would mean that we would be a majority group within the National Farmers Union. It is old news that the single family farm a thing of the past, with the markets being as they are in this day and age, large corporate and diversified farms are the only ones that will be left standing... HUTTERITES INCLUDED.
My apologies to Jerry for using his space to clarify this.
All Readers: please disregard the term that "anonymous" used.
I am insulted that this term was even brought up
Sorry Jerry,
By peaceregion, At 10:00 PM, March 25, 2007
OH BOY..
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Hutterites.org/education.htm
states the following..
Grade School: In the last few years, more emphasis has been placed on higher education in many of the less conservative colonies. Students are now graduating with Senior IV (Grade 12) diplomas and some with university teaching degrees; just a few years ago this occurred only rarely.
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To the person who so generously answered Watson's question incorrectly..
The statement in bold (above) which was taken from the Hutterites.org website does not apply to Lehrerleut Hutterite Colonies as they still have 8th Grade educations..
Many Lehrerleut colonies have implemented a better education system but Lehrerleut Hutterites still do not go beyond the 8th Grade.. If I am wrong please let me know but based on ALL THE COLONIES that I know, that is a true statement..
Thanks
Jerry
By Jerry Wipf, At 11:13 PM, March 25, 2007
At 8:54, March 25, 2007 Anonymous said...
Jerry, could you also explain the term "agnutz treibn" to all our new students.
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This question comes from a Hutterite, and not an "english" person...
To you, I ask the following..
Would You Please Tell Me What This Question Has To Do With Anything?
Then I will answer it..
Thanks
Jerry
By Jerry Wipf, At 11:19 PM, March 25, 2007
Thank you Jerry, and Anonymous for the education information. I was aware of educational trends as explained on Hutterites.org, but not so familiar with the "Grade 8 maximum" amongst the Lehrerleut. I would love to learn more about the specifics of this type of schooling; namely the rationale behind it, and whether there are any signs of movement towards highschool education. Granted, very relevant learning takes place in the years Lehrerleut young people spend solely in apprentice roles (during the time others are in highschool), I feel the writing, math, and critical thinking skills practiced in high-school would also benefit them immensely. What do you think, Jerry?
Watson
By Anonymous, At 7:35 AM, March 26, 2007
Watson..
I will talk what it was like for me when I went to school at the Colony..
Please keep in mind that this was about 2O years ago.. I would have been 12..and the education system since then has changed dramatically.. (I will get into the changes later)
My peers and I had the basics such as Reading, Writing Arithmetic etc.. There were many limitations. We did not have Algebra, Geometric and other advanced subjects..
Please keep in mind that I refer to them as limitations but the members still living in the colony do not, because they are happy with their way of life and feel their education is adaquet for their situations..
After the initial culture shock wore off, (the first year I left) I knew I had to further my education if I wanted to blend in and/or make a go of it out here.. so I decided to get my GED the second year I was gone from the colony..I would have been 19..
There is of course a whole lot more to the education system such as the German School that the children have to go to, while they are also going to English School.
I know that does not answer all your questions but it is a fine start..
All My Best
Jerry
By Jerry Wipf, At 10:57 AM, March 26, 2007
Schmiedeleut talk here:
I graduated from highschool almost ten years ago, but I still remember the time before that when we would only go to school till we were 15 years old. (That's when a Hutterite officially becomes an adult.) I remember how happy the young people were to reach that age and finally be free of school. We were especially glad to get out of German school, because basically all we did was learn to write "leteinisch" and recite versus (this has changed....we're actually learning the german language now).
Education was not considered important back then. Seems to me, that they put us there to get us out of the way, because parent-teacher day wasn't even in the schedule. Nobody cared what the quality of education was, or if the teacher was up to snuff...we just went to school in the morning and came home at 3:30. Who cared what we knew? Nobody. Not for a long time, anyway. They only started caring when the whole school (30 students) failed their grade. Imagine that. That was one heck of an eye opener and thank God for it.
By Anonymous, At 6:09 PM, March 26, 2007
Jerry, If you realize it or not, the dialogue taking place between you and the hutterites responding to your site is quite enlightening about hutterite life. I have enjoyed reading some of the history offered by David even though I don't agree with his philosophy in discouraging you not to follow your God given ability to choose colony life or not. After all didn't the hutterites move to the USA and Canada because they wanted the freedom to practice their religion and not catholism? I find the whole idea ironic that once born into a hutterite colony, one does not get to choose a religion or think for oneself. Would you agree, Hutterite or not, God gave us this incredible organ, our brain, with intention that we use it and not follow someone elses idea of a livestyle if we so choose. Jerry I am looking forward to seeing more of your videos and learning about hutterites as you knew it
By Dorty, At 7:58 PM, March 26, 2007
Jerry, kudos to you for persuing a higher education. It is near impossible to earn a living with an eighth grade education unless of course you want to work at McDonalds and that is difficult at best. I bet it wasn't easy for you starting out without the support of the colony people and with an eighth grade education. I can only imagine.
By Dorty, At 8:14 PM, March 26, 2007
Dorty Wrote: I find the whole idea ironic that once born into a Hutterite colony, one does not get to choose a religion or think for oneself.
So well said Dorty.
The belief among ALL branches of Hutterites is that you should never leave the colony because of what our forefather had to endure in order to keep the Hutterite traditions alive. THAT IS NO SECRET
But then there are people like myself who choose to use the gift which God gave every person.. "The ability to create your own destiny" .. We choose to exercise that gift and we are willing to take the verbal punches, coming our way..but..sometimes we stumble when a particular blow trows us off balance and instead of turning the other cheek we punch back. We are only human after all.
The runaway Hutterites are people with feelings, many find a spouse and eventually have families of their own.. All they want is to live a normal and peaceful live.
We have the utmost respect for people who live in the colony because that is their choice, and their ultimate decision. We do not persecute the Hutterites who choose to stay and at the end of the day that is all we ask.
As yes it is true that you are finding out more than you probably ever knew about what the folks who leave the colony have to go through, and GOD knows that I never wanted to bring out this side of the story but at this stage in the blog it is a mute point.
I will do my absolute best to maintain my composure with future replies to certain commentators and I hope that the frustration that has bottled itself inside of me for 14 years has now expired.
Peace
Jerry
By Jerry Wipf, At 11:37 PM, March 26, 2007
Jerry, I am glad you have cooled down about this whole thing. One never enjoys personal attacks. However, if you think about it, you can't tell the Hutterite story in its entirety unless you also tell this side of the story, otherwise it would be a glossed over version. I reread David's admonishion to you and he said "accept the path your born to". If all people were to live by that, does it mean if your born into an Islamic, Muslim, Catholic, Baptist religion/culture or any other for that matter, never to question it just follow the path your called to. Clearly, this David character is deluding himself, the human race are not animals and we do have a frontal lobe that allows us to rationalize, deduct and choose whatever that might be. Thank God, here in America we still enjoy those liberties , freedom to choose, unfortunately it appears some feel that priviledge belongs to only a few select.
By Dorty, At 8:11 AM, March 27, 2007
More Schmiedeleut talk: (this is also true for the Lehrerleut)
One thing you must understand Dorty, is that we are not considered truly "Hutterite" until we are baptised. In Hutterite baptism you take a vow that you are one with God, but at the same time you take the vow to be a Hutterite. While that has raised some controversy, it is still done and accepted. And until we take that vow, (and this usually takes place from around the age of 19 and up) we are not included in the decision making of the colony, nor can we take part in the Lord's Supper at Easter. I guess what I'm trying to say is that we are not forced into being a Hutterite but at the same time I do agree, having a choice is not handed to us on a silver platter...as the cliche goes.
By Anonymous, At 8:21 AM, March 27, 2007
Anonymous, thanks for your reply which raises more questions on my part. So many times I see Hutterites at medical clinics and at hospitals, however, I've yet to see Hutterite doctors or nurses. Are hutterite children encouraged to think outside the box and be innovative or just follow the path they're called to. I realize the hutterites are of German decent and I'll be the first to admit any product with "Made in Germany" is quality and will probably last a lifetime unlike a product made in China. I can't help but think that Hutterites being from German decent are brilliant people with great potential for ingenious inventions but unfortunately with the majority allowed only an eighth grade education what a waste that is. And how do you feel that the hutterites are utilizing the great advances of the medical field when they don't agree to allow their children to pursue higher education then at best high school? I find that to be ironic and I wonder what are you thoughts on that?
By Dorty, At 10:18 AM, March 27, 2007
Hello,
Been away for a while, read all the latest, seems we are headed into detail on education,
For starters, there are no rules in place to prevent anyone from exceeding the standards of our school system. It is by choice of the students.
I excelled from grade 5, directly to grade 8, and finished my grade 11 before I left school, I continued on to get my JOURNEYMAN'S WELDER CERTIFICATE from SAIT (Southern Alberta Institute of Technology) , after that I pursued my H2S ALIVE & HASMIT CERTIFICATES, both of which are required to work in the Athabasca Tar sands, during that time I received my LEVEL 1 AND LEVEL 2 FIRST AID, and also my TDG (TRANSPORTATION OF DANGEROUS GOODS. After that my HEAVY VEHICLE AIR BRAKE COURSE. All these certificates were acquired at various collages and training centers. From there I went on the earn my NH3 TRANSPORT CLASS(Anhydrous Ammonia). In my world, I would consider this nothing more than basic training. I have attended various training courses in the Agriculture & Agronomy Sectors to help out with the farming end. My thirst for knowledge is always insatiable which forced me to advance in Computer Technology and a bunch of different softwares, some which include, AutoCad 2007 for basic drafting, AutoCad Inventor Series for 3d modeling design, AutoCad Revit Building Systems for designing and creating buildings , since I do all our own Architecture work, and last but not least, FORESIGHT, which I use for Surveying. I do all our own, and for hire Surveying. Also some that are worth mentioning are DREAM WEAVER 8 for website design and many more that are used to do many different things around the farm and for hire. I am currently, with the help of my good friend Dr. Sloan, CHIEF CHEMISTRY PROFESSOR, REGIONAL COLLAGE OF INDUSTRY, working on a project that will one day value add all of our canola into BIO-DIESEL.
All this Education was paid for by the Colony and was achieved with the full support by the Colony, all while living IN the Colony.
My point here is folks, In my world , Education is just a word. nothing more, nothing less.
KNOWLEDGE however, always was, always is, and always will be there for the taking, to who ever has a craving for it.
As the old saying goes, "YOU CAN LEAD A HORSE TO WATER, BUT YOU CAN'T MAKE THE SUCKER DRINK!"
later,
David Tschetter
By peaceregion, At 9:49 PM, March 27, 2007
David
Good Job on your education..
I do have one correction for you..
HASMIT is acually HAZMAT..
Now then..
Your education in the Lehrerleaut branch of Hutterites is about as common as the Pope and Britney being seen at the same "Bar Mitzvah" hosted by Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
Cheers
Jerry
PS: I wanted to get my point across ..No Harm Intended..
By Jerry Wipf, At 11:15 PM, March 27, 2007
Well I am a born again christian and I am a hutterite I am proud of my heritage and culture. I came across your blog and I find here a someone who still feeds on milk. Jerry it's very immature what you are doing. The arguments you are having are not godly. God doesn't want self righteousness and I am holier than thou attitude as you portray to be here. I am not against people leaving the colony if they feel God calls them and if they feel God's calling believe me they won't behave like you do here on this blog. Speaking of education I also have my grade 12 I have my driver's license and I live in the hutterite colony. I am a female. I am from MB. I have many hutterite friends who left the colony and are doing mission. I have many friends in the colony who are doing mission within. Look how God was when he was here on earth he never was loud or boastful or aggressive,self-righteous, angry,and He had every reason to be with us unworthy people and sinners He was quiet with a humble spirit and He let His light shine. One can obviously see that you need to go on solid food now.! Grow in the spirit!! and pls don't cause arguments if your people believe in the system pray for them if you find they are so wrong. PRAY FOR THEM!! Yes amongst Lehreleuts there needs to be a revival but there needs to be a revival amongst the whole world. But remember most important rely on God and wait upon Him. LET Your light shine before men. Not your mouth!
By Dianna, At 12:56 PM, March 28, 2007
Diane, thanks for your comment but I am very confused.. Please answer this question..
Where in the world am I being self righteous?
I started this Blog to talk about Hutterite Life. Simple as that.. and then you and your group come in and tell me I was giving false information.. I then changed the name of the Blog to "Lehrerleut" Hutterites... That was not enough.. More crazy stuff happened... Now you folks are doing the same thing that I supposedly did.. You are telling people about your education which is only true for your branch of Hutterites..
You said.. Speaking of education I also have my grade 12 I have my driver's license and I live in the Hutterite colony. I am a female. I am from MB.
There is not one Lehrerleut Hutterite Female who has a Drivers Licenses or an education past the 8th grade.. NOT ONE..
I just want everyone (who is not Hutterite to know this)
The education system portrayed on this Blog is False..
Here is an idea... Maybe I should change the name back to the original name because you are really confusing my readers....such as Dorty and Watson....of course I would never do that but I am running out of options..
Gotta run, my mom is in town and she called as she wants me to give her a ride to Wal-Mart.. UM.. she does not have a DRIVERS LICENSE.. *wink*
Peace
Jerry
By Jerry Wipf, At 1:22 PM, March 28, 2007
This is quite interesting, there appear to be certain branches that embrace education and even drivers licenses for the women, while the lehrerleut do neither which in my opinion is unfortunate. Education is liberation,there is no doubt about that. Is it possible the reason that higher education is not pursued or encouraged by the colony leaders, is to keep the young people from leaving like yourself, Jerry? Think about it, yourself as an example, do you think you would have stayed in the hutterite colony had you received education beyond eight grade? In my opinion education is obtaining knowledge. It opens doors that otherwise would remain closed. Education challenges one to think, rationalize, deduct and problem solve with a vast knowledge base. Please don't misunderstand me, one doesn't have to have an education to use ones brain, but the potential is infinite when we have direction and purpose. So many of the scientists who have gone on before us were German. I see the hutterites, like I said yesterday, with so much potential but not the drive to pursue higher callings simply because education is not a high priority. I'm sure many of the colonies do well with an eight grade education running their industries, some seem to thrive especially in the agriculture sector. It appears they are not afraid to employ the latest in farming equipment and technology. I can't help but wonder though, if they would be as successful in their operations if they encouraged their children to seek higher education or would they just dwindle away?
By Dorty, At 9:11 PM, March 28, 2007
Dorty, it has been proven among the Schmiedeleut that a higher education does not make us want to leave. Rather, it has strengthened our respect for ourselves, that is, our culture and religion. Most importantly it has forced us to make changes for the better where changes were terribly needed.
By Anonymous, At 7:59 AM, March 29, 2007
I agree that it has been proven that it does not necessarily want to make Hutterites in Manitoba leave. It does however cause some of them to leave. I would say that it is less than those who are denied the opportunity.
By Anonymous, At 11:48 AM, March 29, 2007
I've been debatintg over a period of a couple of weeks wether or not i should comment on here. But here goes:
Why don't we all just let Jerry do what he wants.. If he fees that he is portraying greater good let him. It is not up to us to judge him on account for what he does here or take his rights away even if we do disagree. I might not have this project in favor, But we all have rights.
Personally, no video or blog could portray is in a manner that we think is apporpriate. Lets just let Jerry do what he thinks is right and what gives him peace. If he wants to contribute to this world by trying to educate people on the Life of Hutterites... all the power to him. But some of the comments on here are not doing anything in favor of hutterites. Do we want people to see us in the fashion that we comment on here? Hopefully, no one judges us by them.
I will refrain from posting any sort of other opinion i have about this project and just wish you all the best as you continue to do what you have started. Even though some of us may not support your efforts whole-heartedly... we have to understand that we all have rights and some Hutterites may feel that it is their obligation to stop what you are trying to do. You must have known that when you started this out, and hopefully you came prepared.
All the best
By Anonymous, At 10:25 AM, March 30, 2007
Thank you for that beautiful post. Very well said.
I did not prepare myself correctly and that is where I screwed up.
I apologize for that.
Peace
Jerry
By Jerry Wipf, At 10:41 AM, March 30, 2007
Hello Jerry,
It seems that the attitude of the last anonymous comment has given me a bit of thought. I have come to respect your determination of what you are trying to accomplish with this project, even if you did start out a bit unprepared and ended up with the wrong foot forward. The whole idea of your project is good in it's own way because it gives individuals a quick and easy way to have their questions about hutterites answered. You have certainly accommodated any errors that we thought committed.
I believe the reason you were met with such resistance from us, was the fact that you felt it was important for your readers to know that you were NOT part of a Colony right now.
I truly believe, that stressing that info did you more harm then good, and I believe now that your intentions are more clearer, sharing the fact that you chose a life outside the colony was unnecessary as far as the information that the general public is after is concerned. And you wouldn't have misled any Hutterites following your project, you simply wouldn't have disclosed all the info because it wasn't relevant to your project.
I know that your sources of info on the Scmiedleut and the Dariusleut is not up to date, and that's not the end of the world either, as long as you are clear to your readers, which you have been. I will follow your project and interject whenever your unsure about something, and like I've said before, be very careful not stress on the fact that we're here and your there, because that makes us feel like your trying to promote "free will".
good luck,
David
By peaceregion, At 6:33 PM, March 31, 2007
Thank you David. I appreciate your understanding..
Peace
Jerry
By Jerry Wipf, At 6:57 PM, March 31, 2007
hey
this guy jerry smokes a little to much pot or drinks to much. switch to somthing else. i can tell in his videos
later
By Anonymous, At 6:45 PM, April 02, 2007
LOL
Darn sure the funniest thing I have heard in a while..
No pot on this end..and darn sure not a drinker.. Seen to many good people ruined by alcohol not to mention losing a wonderful friend to the silent killer..
Peace
Jerry
PS. Keep watching for more videos.. You should enjoy them..
By Jerry Wipf, At 8:00 PM, April 02, 2007
Hey Jerry,
I could not agree with you more on that one!!!!
DRUGS AND/OR ALCOHOL =
SUICIDE IN SLOW MOTION.!!!
Well said Jerry!!
later
David
By peaceregion, At 8:28 PM, April 02, 2007
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